Radio Tracking

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Dave Qualley

24 Jun, 2020 12:10 AM

Our SAR team uses Kenwood radios and have them displaying on the SARtopo mapping.

Is there a way to give the individual radios a more meaningful name? Right now they show as "Fleet100-1001", it would be handy if we could rename a radio to a persons tactical callsign, or something like "Team1", or "RescueTruck".

  1. Support Staff 1 Posted by Ben Lantow on 24 Jun, 2020 02:03 AM

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    You should be able to program your radios with names. Mine Kenwood 5200 series radio displays Lantow, Ben when I use it, dispatch can see it, and I believe if program that crosses over with fleetsync. You can see the radio name when you start up the radio.


  2. 2 Posted by caver456 on 24 Jun, 2020 02:28 AM

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    Hi Dave - sorry to interject, I'm not caltopo help staff but the author and
    I worked together on developing the fleetsync interface.

    When you 'add locator' from the menus, you are actually adding a 'locator
    group' which is effectively the 'listener'. Each fleetsync device that
    calls in becomes a new 'locator' object that will show up in the
    automatically created 'locators' folder. After the locator has been
    created with the first call-in, you can then edit the locator with its
    pencil icon to change the name. That is all part of sartopo, sorry Ben if
    I am overreaching, please correct anything I got wrong.

    Separately, you can take a look at the third-party free open-source
    radiolog software which has a fleetsync locator interface that handles the
    pairing of 'callsigns' with fleetsync device IDs. Take a look at the video
    here, at time 19:02:

    The open source repo is here, if you care to pursue it - just keep in mind
    that it's not written by, maintained by, required for, or 'part of' caltopo
    or sartopo.

  3. Support Staff 3 Posted by Ben Lantow on 24 Jun, 2020 02:37 AM

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    Tom has done a ton of work with this, I would absolutely defer to him.


  4. Ben Lantow closed this discussion on 24 Jun, 2020 02:37 AM.

  5. Dave Qualley re-opened this discussion on 24 Jun, 2020 02:58 AM

  6. 4 Posted by Dave Qualley on 24 Jun, 2020 02:58 AM

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    Thanks for the quick reply guys!

    We’re training tonight. Here’s what our screen looks like. There is no pencil icon next to the radios.

    I also looked at the programming software for our radios and the radio ID’s have to be a 3 digit fleet# and a 4 digit unit #.


    Sent from my iPhone

  7. 5 Posted by Dave Qualley on 24 Jun, 2020 03:21 AM

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    Just realized we hadn't saved the exercise to our maps. As soon as we did
    that the radios showed up as Markers with the pencil icons.

    Is there a way to view the last time a radio was heard from?


  8. 6 Posted by caver456 on 24 Jun, 2020 03:35 AM

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    interesting that they are in a folder called 'callsigns' - did you rename
    the automatically created 'locators' folder to be named 'callsigns'?
    Basically, are you sure that those red dots are actually locator objects,
    or are they markers you made by 'add marker' or such? If locators, you can
    click one and it will tell you the last received time. If they are not
    locators, you can't do that.

  9. 7 Posted by Dave Qualley on 24 Jun, 2020 03:43 AM

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    We didn’t change anything after initial install. The callsigns folder appeared as soon as the first radio was heard.

    Another curious thing now. We edited 100-1014 to be “Tim Lee” and 100-1011 to a blue runner Icon. But it looks like the changed icons remained stationary while the original callsign icons kept moving down the trail as the radios updated.

    Sent from my iPhone

  10. 8 Posted by caver456 on 24 Jun, 2020 04:26 AM

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    I should step out from the discussion now since you're definitely talking
    about the behaviors that are part of sartopo. Just wanted to interject a
    bit of background.
    Maybe in the latest version the automatically generated folder name is
    'callsigns' instead of 'locators' which would explain my confusion? As
    long as the steps you took after saving the map were Add Locator,
    type=Fleet, then we are talking about the same thing. The stationary
    locators with changed icon sounds interesting...

  11. Support Staff 9 Posted by Ben Lantow on 24 Jun, 2020 11:04 PM

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    I can help clear up some confusion here.

    Callsigns are all radios that the TNC picks up, any radio in the area will be picked up by this, they do not follow or track the radios, it's just making you aware of radios in the area that are tracking. Of note you can clear this list, minimize, or hide it fairly easily, it's just intended to help obtain a list of radios in the area. If you do a radio check with a team for example and see that radio show up on the map, you'll know FLEET: 100-1000 is Team 1.

    Locators are what you want if you want to follow a track, rename a radio, etc. You need to add a locator to an already saved map (Add -> Locator) and you'll need to put in the fleet ID for the locator you are adding.

    Kenwood Fleetsync does allow for some customization on the radio side. You can program the radio ID and alias. The radio ID is always in the format of "000-0000 Alias". I made a mistake when I said CalTopo will pull the alias in, it will only pull the numeric ID programmed to that radio. After you add a locator you can rename that locator to anything you want and it will persist and track that radio.

    Does that clarify everything a little better?

  12. 10 Posted by caver456 on 25 Jun, 2020 12:19 AM

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    Could you point me to the docs for how to set up kenwood fleetsync locators
    from scratch? We use kenwood fleetsync in sartopo offline (forwarded as
    http requests from the radiolog software) so maybe we aren't actually
    talking about the same thing. Still I'm curious as to how fleetsync
    traffic interacts with a TNC at all...

  13. Support Staff 11 Posted by Julie on 27 Jun, 2020 03:08 AM

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    Tom, I'm told what you are asking for doesn't exist!

  14. Julie closed this discussion on 27 Jun, 2020 03:08 AM.

  15. caver456 re-opened this discussion on 27 Jun, 2020 01:11 PM

  16. 12 Posted by caver456 on 27 Jun, 2020 01:11 PM

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    Huh - still looking to help Dave with the outstanding issue about changed
    callsign markers not updating, but I don't have any more input there since
    we are not actually talking about the same method.

    For Kenwood FleetSync, I use Add Locator, type=fleet, fleet=our unit's
    fleet number which is 100. This creates a folder called Locator Groups.
    Then when the first radio calls in, it creates a folder called Locators
    with one item in it that appears to be a marker on the left bar, but with
    different a different edit dialog named 'locator details' - you can change
    the label, the folder, activity timeout, track length, line weight,
    opacity, color, and line style, but you cannot change the 'marker' symbol.
    I don't ever have any folder called 'Callsigns'. Just to check against
    Dave's issue, after I change color and line style of an individual locator,
    it does still update correctly with each new radio call.

    But, I did just now try to send the fleetsync data straight in to a com
    port that sartopo offline is listening to (since our usual method involves
    radiolog as the middleman, so what sartopo offline sees is in our case
    actually a URL request rather than com port traffic - I don't think I've
    ever actually tested it 'straight-in' before now), and did not see any
    locators on the map or the left bar, and no info in the sartopo log /
    terminal output, so, I am probably doing something wrong there...

  17. Support Staff 13 Posted by Ben Lantow on 27 Jun, 2020 03:40 PM

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    Correct - I believe there’s some confounding of APRS and Fleetsync occurring here. The callsigns are an APRS thing based on input from a TNC, they will show up on the map to determine callsigns. I assume that the radios in question are APRS and Fleetsync capable. This appears to be an APRS setup.


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