Ben Lantow on 24 Jun, 2020 02:03 AM
You should be able to program your radios with names. Mine Kenwood 5200 series radio displays Lantow, Ben when I use it, dispatch can see it, and I believe if program that crosses over with fleetsync. You can see the radio name when you start up the radio.
Hi Dave - sorry to interject, I'm not caltopo help staff but the author and
I worked together on developing the fleetsync interface.
When you 'add locator' from the menus, you are actually adding a 'locator
group' which is effectively the 'listener'. Each fleetsync device that
calls in becomes a new 'locator' object that will show up in the
automatically created 'locators' folder. After the locator has been
created with the first call-in, you can then edit the locator with its
pencil icon to change the name. That is all part of sartopo, sorry Ben if
I am overreaching, please correct anything I got wrong.
Separately, you can take a look at the third-party free open-source
radiolog software which has a fleetsync locator interface that handles the
pairing of 'callsigns' with fleetsync device IDs. Take a look at the video
here, at time 19:02:
interesting that they are in a folder called 'callsigns' - did you rename
the automatically created 'locators' folder to be named 'callsigns'?
Basically, are you sure that those red dots are actually locator objects,
or are they markers you made by 'add marker' or such? If locators, you can
click one and it will tell you the last received time. If they are not
locators, you can't do that.
We didn’t change anything after initial install. The callsigns folder appeared as soon as the first radio was heard.
Another curious thing now. We edited 100-1014 to be “Tim Lee” and 100-1011 to a blue runner Icon. But it looks like the changed icons remained stationary while the original callsign icons kept moving down the trail as the radios updated.
I should step out from the discussion now since you're definitely talking
about the behaviors that are part of sartopo. Just wanted to interject a
bit of background.
Maybe in the latest version the automatically generated folder name is
'callsigns' instead of 'locators' which would explain my confusion? As
long as the steps you took after saving the map were Add Locator,
type=Fleet, then we are talking about the same thing. The stationary
locators with changed icon sounds interesting...
Ben Lantow on 24 Jun, 2020 11:04 PM
I can help clear up some confusion here.
Callsigns are all radios that the TNC picks up, any radio in the area will be picked up by this, they do not follow or track the radios, it's just making you aware of radios in the area that are tracking. Of note you can clear this list, minimize, or hide it fairly easily, it's just intended to help obtain a list of radios in the area. If you do a radio check with a team for example and see that radio show up on the map, you'll know FLEET: 100-1000 is Team 1.
Locators are what you want if you want to follow a track, rename a radio, etc. You need to add a locator to an already saved map (Add -> Locator) and you'll need to put in the fleet ID for the locator you are adding.
Kenwood Fleetsync does allow for some customization on the radio side. You can program the radio ID and alias. The radio ID is always in the format of "000-0000 Alias". I made a mistake when I said CalTopo will pull the alias in, it will only pull the numeric ID programmed to that radio. After you add a locator you can rename that locator to anything you want and it will persist and track that radio.
Could you point me to the docs for how to set up kenwood fleetsync locators
from scratch? We use kenwood fleetsync in sartopo offline (forwarded as
http requests from the radiolog software) so maybe we aren't actually
talking about the same thing. Still I'm curious as to how fleetsync
traffic interacts with a TNC at all...
Huh - still looking to help Dave with the outstanding issue about changed
callsign markers not updating, but I don't have any more input there since
we are not actually talking about the same method.
For Kenwood FleetSync, I use Add Locator, type=fleet, fleet=our unit's
fleet number which is 100. This creates a folder called Locator Groups.
Then when the first radio calls in, it creates a folder called Locators
with one item in it that appears to be a marker on the left bar, but with
different a different edit dialog named 'locator details' - you can change
the label, the folder, activity timeout, track length, line weight,
opacity, color, and line style, but you cannot change the 'marker' symbol.
I don't ever have any folder called 'Callsigns'. Just to check against
Dave's issue, after I change color and line style of an individual locator,
it does still update correctly with each new radio call.
But, I did just now try to send the fleetsync data straight in to a com
port that sartopo offline is listening to (since our usual method involves
radiolog as the middleman, so what sartopo offline sees is in our case
actually a URL request rather than com port traffic - I don't think I've
ever actually tested it 'straight-in' before now), and did not see any
locators on the map or the left bar, and no info in the sartopo log /
terminal output, so, I am probably doing something wrong there...
Ben Lantow on 27 Jun, 2020 03:40 PM
Correct - I believe there’s some confounding of APRS and Fleetsync occurring here. The callsigns are an APRS thing based on input from a TNC, they will show up on the map to determine callsigns. I assume that the radios in question are APRS and Fleetsync capable. This appears to be an APRS setup.